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                        The 07/08 Question

So what do the numbers 07/08 mean?

My first instinct was to assume they were used as a reference date for gold filled case guarantees and while this could have been true the same marks are also found on solid  gold, silver and silveroid cases.

Perhaps the company viewed the case letter requirements (see Page 3) as cumbersome and in a state of suspension due to the “Act To Amend” and chose a more practical system.

W.K. McNaught at this time was President of the A.W.C.CO., a former 2 term president of the Canadian  Manufacturers Association (1891-1899) and elected  as a member of The Ontario Provincial parliament in Feb. 1906, so no doubt had some connections and  insights into what was happening regarding the various incarnations of the marking acts.

So regardless of the actual purpose, the following case and movement numbers lead me to make the assertion that the numbers 07 and 08 represent the years in which those cases were manufactured thereby giving a baseline for approximate dating of other cases.

Below on this page is a list of all A.W.C.Co. cases I have seen bearing either 07 or 08 and the movements they contain.

On the page following this is a list of 18s Fortune cases (with more case detail) beginning at the introduction in 1890 which gives the numbers on this page some context.

FORTUNE – 07/08 – 18s

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#460363   Fortune  07 – Waltham #14107171 (1904)
#467675   Fortune  07 – Seth Thomas #210473 (????)
#473654   Fortune 07 – Waltham #13457757 (1903)
#484809   Fortune 07 – Illinois #1721019 (1905)
#488110   Fortune 07 – Waltham #14248346 (1904)
#488797   Fortune 07 – Waltham #15959717 (1907)
#492570   Fortune 07 – Waltham #13949071 (1904)
#494329   Fortune 07 – Elgin #13356896 (1908)
#496261   Fortune 07 – empty
#496959   Fortune 07 – Waltham  #13616917 (1904)
#503197   Fortune 07 –  re-case
#510139   Fortune 07 –  empty
#511426   Fortune 07 –  re-case – Just the back, rim is F9090
#511507   Fortune 07 –  re-case
#517782   Fortune 07 – Waltham #14193372 (1904)
#523206   Fortune 07 – empty (mine)
#526773   Fortune 07 – Waltham #13939829 (1904)
#527463   Fortune 07 – Waltham #15007714 (1904)
#529120   Fortune 07 – Waltham #15079334 (1906)
#530332   Fortune 07 – Waltham #15097625 (1906)
#539080   Fortune 07 – Elgin #12452018 (1906)
#539105   Fortune 07 – empty
#539245   Fortune 07 – Waltham #14533021 (1905)
#539741   Fortune 07 – re-case
#541449   Fortune 07 – Waltham  #18064137 (1910)
#547142   Fortune 07 – Waltham #14521828 (1905)
#551700   Fortune 07 – Body & Bezel F3835 so this is just a case back
#552029   Fortune 07 – Hamilton #646615 (1909)
#561456   Fortune 08 – Seth Thomas #350609 (????)
#569902   Fortune 08 – Waltham #15079313 (1906)
#569961   Fortune 07 – Gallet 17J  Definitely 07 – I can’t explain this.
#570033   Fortune 08 –  Rockford #738825 (1908) XMKS
#570149   Fortune 08 – Waltham #13942860 (1904)
#570286   Fortune 08 – re-case with Waltham Railroader #8010067
#572009   Fortune 08 – can’t make out the movement #
#572098   Fortune 08 – Elgin #13626160 (1909)
#573867   Fortune 08 – Elgin #131XX332 (1909) No. 349
#574561   Fortune 08 – Waltham #14314318 (1905)
#582284   Fortune 08 – Waltham #15157077 (1906)
#582512   Fortune 08 – Waltham #14516625 (1905)
#586774   Fortune 08  – empty
#589096   Fortune 08 – empty
#596167   Fortune 08 – Rockford #635583 (1904)
#594417   Fortune 08  – Waltham #10987690 (1901)
#598879   Fortune 08 – Waltham #15042943 (1906)
#599100   Fortune 08 – Waltham #17042316 (1908)
#600475   Fortune 08 – Waltham #15207126 (1906)
#605999   Fortune 08 – empty
#608496   Fortune 08  – empty
#608520   Fortune 08 – Waltham # 7453763  (1897—8) Legit Re-case?
#611971   Fortune 08 – Waltham #7711453 (1896)
#612168   Fortune 08 – Elgin #14209707 (1910)
#614183   Fortune 08 –  re-case

FORTUNE –  07/08 – 16s

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#458142   Fortune  07 – empty
#498602   Fortune  07  – Waltham #14481992 (1905)
#499043   Fortune  07  – Waltham #12491189 (1903)
#507511   Fortune  07  – Waltham #14619399 (1905)
#514444   Fortune  07  – Bedford (unkn)
#524157   Fortune  08 – Waltham Traveler #1???????
#530962   Fortune  07  – Illinois #1797067 (1905)
#535683   Fortune  07  – Waltham #13901837 (1904)
#553082   Fortune  07  – Waltham #16625057 (1908)
#558368   Fortune  08  – Waltham #14766295 (1906)
#558525   Fortune  08 – Longines #1521925 (1904)
#578502   Fortune  08  – re-case
#580990   Fortune  08  – re-case
#588277   Fortune  08 – Pg. 46 Larry PL’s Illinois #1311261 (1898) Gotta be a re-case
#596975   Fortune  08 – Waltham #12639441  (1903)  NXMKS 
#602655   Fortune  08   – re-case

UNNAMED 30 YEAR CASE – 07/08 – 18s

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#464925  Unnamed  07 – Waltham #14798524 (1906)
#497902  Unnamed  07 – empty – uncertain of size

CASHIER – 07/08 – 18s

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#461341   Cashier  07 – Waltham  #14091797 (1904)
#482923   Cashier  07 – Waltham #15096963  (1906)
#483052   Cashier  07 –  Longines  #1801441 (1906)
#491260   Cashier  07 – Waltham #13045600 (1903)
#501382   Cashier  07 –  Hamilton  #566416  (1907)
#517971   Cashier  07 – Waltham #14125957 (1904)
#531746   Cashier  07 – Waltham 1900 re-case
#532057   Cashier  07 – Waltham #14083311 (1904) 1908 Inscription
#532229   Cashier  07 – empty
#532297   Cashier  07 –   Seth Thomas #231741 (????)  – Later listed separately
#532999   Cashier  07 – Waltham #13268910 (1903)
#544692   Cashier  07 – empty
#552698   Cashier  07 – Elgin #13737176 (1909)
#552901   Cashier  07 –  Waltham  #17188481( 1908)
#576747   Cashier  08 – Elgin #11505990 (1905)
#583615   Cashier  08 – Waltham #14816442 (1906)

CASHIER – 07/08 – 16s

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#520260  Cashier  07  – Regina #2879161 (1907) 2m = 1902 3m = 1908 – Seller says 52mm – 18s?
#550727  Cashier  07  – Waltham #17348892 (1908)
#594831  Cashier  08  – Hamilton #778289 (1910)

EMPRESS – 07/08 – 18s

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#533627  Empress  07  – Waltham #14465389 (1905)
#562765  Empress  08  – re-case

PREMIER – 07/08 – 18s

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#489294  PREMIER  07 – re-case

SILVEROID – 07/08 – 18s

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#611939    SILVEROID   07  – re-case
#612411    SILVEROID   07  – Waltham  #13810798 (1904)
#615857    SILVEROID   07  – empty
#617664    SILVEROID   07  – Waltham  #14464145 (1905)
#630690    SILVEROID   07  – Waltham # 14586181 (1905)
#631690    SILVEROID   07  – Waltham  #14326552 (1905)
#633472    SILVEROID   07  – Waltham  #14591464 (1905)
#640135    SILVEROID   07  – empty
#647635    SILVEROID   07  – empty
#650641    SILVEROID   80  – re-case
#654507    SILVEROID   08  – empty
#658294    SILVEROID   08  – Waltham #18859594 (1912)  – OOPS THIS IS A RE-CASE!
#661105    SILVEROID   08  – re-case
#666187    SILVEROID   08  – Waltham #7835847 (1896)   XTRA marks? I lost the pic!
#674031    SILVEROID   08  – empty

COIN SILVER – 07/08 – 18s

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#619563     A.W.C.CO.  COIN    07  – empty
#625184     A.W.C.CO.  COIN    07  – Waltham #14192081 (1904)
#636965     A.W.C.CO.  COIN    07  – Waltham #14733882 (1906)
#638506     A.W.C.CO.  COIN    07  – empty
#645607     A.W.C.CO.  COIN    07  – Waltham #15112541 (1906)
#671489     A.W.C.CO.  COIN    08  – Illinois #2220156 (1910)

14K/18K – SOLID GOLD – 07/08

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#108234   A.W.C.CO.   18K  07 – Longines #1802565 (1905-6) Henry Birks & Sons  28mm Mvt.
#112729   A.W.C.CO.   14K  08 – Agassiz #116022 (????) 1908 Inscription – 35.5 mm Case
#113102    A.W.C.CO.  14K  08 – ELGIN #10513022 (1904) 18s

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INDEX

Pg. 1 – HISTORY
Pg. 2 – CASE CHRONOLOGY
Pg. 3 – CASE GUARANTEES BECOME ILLEGAL IN CANADA – 1908
Pg. 4 – The 07/08 QUESTION – CASE & MOVEMENT SERIAL NUMBERS WTH PHOTOS
Pg. 5 – FORTUNE 18s CASE AND MOVEMENT SERIAL NUMBERS WITH PHOTOS
Pg. 6 – CASHIER 18s CASE AND MOVEMENT SERIAL NUMBERS WITH PHOTOS
Pg. 7 – PREMIER 18s CASE AND MOVEMENT SERIAL NUMBERS WITH PHOTOS
Pg. 8 – EMPRESS 18s CASE AND MOVEMENT SERIAL NUMBERS WITH PHOTOS
Pg. 9 – SILVEROID/NICKEL SILVER 16s & 18s Case & Mvt. SN’s WITH PHOTOS
Pg. 10 – A.W.C.CO. COIN 16s & 18s PLUS EXCELSIOR – PERFECTION – N P – NEVADA  SN’s & PHOTOS
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